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Who were you drawing back there like when you first started getting into tattooing? I think just all the same shit that I'm doing now, but just shitty versions of it, you know what I mean? Skulls and snakes and flowers and all that stuff started doing weird skulls and funky looking stuff. And I just kind of do the same version of that now, but better. Today on the podcast Brett Rose Pilar, Las Vegas born and raised tattooer, muralist and co-owner of One Block Las Vegas. being inspired by tattoo artwork, has gone back pretty far for me. just looking in magazines, Having the right people behind you and also having, the right crew of friends and family around you to to support you and keep you grounded is really important. And all those guys are that.

Yeah, we talk about what actually makes a tattoo shop work, why most shop owners fail before they even get started, and how Brett built one block by focusing on the right people, the right culture, and a shop that actually feels good to be in. I'm Austin Spencer, and this is support your local tattooer. dude. Thanks so much for coming by. Thanks for having me. We got Bret Rose Tyler in the house. Welcome to support your local tattooer BPP beer, which we need, like a little soundboard. Yeah, maybe we should have some some some awesome bits.

So what's up, man? How's things dude? Everything's really good, man. Everything's been great. Great. Yeah. You've had, like, some, some big changes. You were like, well, a couple of years, and now.

Right, you open Yeah, yeah. Huge changes. I opened up one block with DJ Tab here in Las Vegas. Just been, you know, nurturing that for the past two and a half years. We've been open now, and, like, it's going really, really well. Time flies. Dude. time fucking flies, Yeah!

Whoo! Some interesting changes going from a tattooer to shop owner. I wouldn't say too many challenges or. You know what I mean. DJ and his wife make it really easy to like, you know, maneuver through owning the thing. And, you know, she's super organized, so she keeps us, you know, on the level. And. Yeah, it just works really well.

I couldn't say that we've had many challenges yet. It's like everything's just kind of manifesting exactly the way I thought it would. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah, it's been great. Yeah. No complaints at all. Honestly?

good, because having having the right people behind you is everything, dude. Yeah. Having the right people behind you and also having, like, the right crew of friends and family around you to to support you and keep you grounded is really important. And all those guys are that. Yeah. like you guys really have, like, a very good, healthy culture that Yeah. Yeah. And extremely motivating.

I'm. I'm assuming. extremely motivated. Yeah. I mean, I have the best tattooers in the world tattooing right next to me. So, Yeah, it's a it's a big deal to me. Yeah. For sure.

I don't, you know, take it as I don't take it very lightly. It's like very, very important to me. Yeah. No, not not a bit. So you've been in Vegas for a while, right? Yeah. Well, I was born and raised here. Born and raised.

Damn. Oh, then I kind of want to reverse back to, like, when the, like, shit. When were someone, like, the first, like, inspirational. Like like tattoo things that stood out to you first inspirational tattoo things. you even just seeing I mean being being inspired by tattoo artwork, has gone back pretty far for me. I mean, just looking in magazines, you know what I mean? Yeah. Right out of high school was when I, when I found tattooing and started doing that.

So, you know, back then, you kind of had to work to find that contact. You know, you couldn't just jump on social media and see all the best tattoo work and artwork out there. So you kind of had to know, you know, where, what mediums to find, you know, the cool stuff and like the really good tattoos and, you know, that's that's that's what I did. I searched pretty deep to find like, what I liked. And once I started really getting inspired by certain people's work, I think it kind of jumped me into enjoying tattoo art more and and kind of more focusing on that. Yeah. Yeah. Were you like me?

Did you kind of emerge from, like, just watching graffiti and then seeing graffiti guys get into tattooing? I think that was probably a little bit later for me. I started seeing some of the guys that I was watching doing graffiti, kind of come into tattooing, and by that point I was already tattooing too. So I'm feeling like I was part of that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you're a little bit older than me. Do you ever go down to, like, Tower Records and, like, dig through, like, all the graffiti magazines and and, tattoo magazines at the time?

The big one on Sahara Tower Records. Yeah. Tower records, big B's, Odyssey Records. I was, I was frequenting all those places. Yeah, tower records had a good, good selection of magazines, so I was always in there stealing them, for sure. My dad was into Harleys, too, so we just had, like, a lot of tattoo like culture Yeah. Yeah, that was some some of the first magazines you could see tattoos in were, you know what I mean, like the book and Easy Rider or whatever it was. Yeah.

thing. Do you remember, like, what was it I still have a lot of those. I still have some of those old, old magazines. Some of the first like tattoo content I had, I still got Who were you drawing back there like when you first started getting into tattooing? I think just all the same shit that I'm doing now, but just shitty versions of it, you know what I mean? Skulls and snakes and flowers and all that stuff I've always kind of been into. Like, I started out tattooing what, the same shit I'm doing now. Yeah.

You didn't go through, like, I like tribal phases and stuff I didn't have like, a huge, like a many year gap of trying to, like, find myself. I kind of right when I jumped in, I started doing weird skulls and, and and funky looking stuff. And I just kind of do the same version of that now, but better. polished. Yeah, yeah, Dang. So all. Who are you like first? How'd your apprenticeship go or how did you get into tattooing?

I kind of fell into tattooing just looking for an art form that I could, you know, take and be career driven by. Yeah. I was, I think, in high school, probably looking more to do, like a graphic design gigs. And I think I got a little bit of experience, like watching other people that were already established in that, and they weren't really doing, like their own personal creative projects there, or working for a company or a thing or not necessarily doing their own personal work. And that, I think, pushed me more into tattooing where I seen, like creating from your own personal, you know what I mean? Bank was is way more important and unique than most other art careers out there. Yeah, We get spoiled. I mean, most of us, as long Yeah.

As long as you're making cool stuff continue to try to push and you're consistent. Yeah, you're going to be doing that for a long time. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Tattooing you saw you saw stability in tattooing even back then I seen like strong stability in tattooing. Even though we weren't making the type of money that we are now, it's still worked. And I was out at the shop every day and I was motivated.

And, you know, I convince all my friends family to get tattoo by me and anybody who was willing to sit down, I'll tattoo them, you know. So I think that kind of persistence does go a long way. to showing If you hold on to it, you should fucking show up. Just show up. You don't have to be the best but you fucking show up every day Something's going to happen. Something good is going to happen quote he said the other day He was like I don't know what the fuck I'm doing but I'm going to show up but I'm there. Figure it out. Well, I fucking still there, dude.

And you just and you progress better and better every single day As long as you're putting that time and energy and that love into it Correct. you're seeing it dude You're seeing I mean, I'm seeing it for me Thank you. It's it's fucking fantastic, Thank you. I was like diving deep on your Instagram and your progression and your style, your color palettes unique. Thank you. you have this unique, in a world where light of neo trad female faces, you have your own unique kind of this, like Gypsy, you're kind of going. It's like, almost like Gypsy makes. I mean, yeah, it's just it's it's hard to stand out nowadays because a lot of what you see is copy and paste and filtered through the same things over and over again So to have any type of uniqueness in your work at all is really special Yeah.

You and I see in your tattooing I see the way you kind of like posterize your like flat image like the shapes of your color and everything Yeah. do it in your murals too So like yeah, I try to keep things pretty simple and easy to understand easy to read Well, for longevity two for tattooing I mean, it's not like a bunch of heavy blends that could be potentially like torn up or Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to keep it pretty simple Yeah, yeah. Easy to understand. Easy for me to execute to. Yeah. Yeah. So you kind of.

You're like, all map it out to where it's almost like, color by number, Yeah. You know, it's like. Yeah. Just so simple and bold. And it looks like it's built to last, Yeah, yeah. I, you know, I push like more detail and, you know, more color blends in certain pieces that I feel like needs it. Yeah. You know what I mean.

But for the most part I try to keep it as simple as possible. For all those reasons that you just said. Yeah, it looks great, dude. I'm right. I've really enjoyed it. And like, I'm a huge fan of, skulls and anybody that's illustrating skulls constantly, you know. Thank you. Yeah.

like, you're real like, your reapers are some of the fucking hardest reapers out there, thanks to OG. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. real cool, man. Pride. You know, pride myself on good Reaper.

You know, that's, He's inspired me. I want to sit down and do some reapers or I need to get a reaper from you that would, you know, yeah. So everything like you been keeping keep it inspired. You guys do quite a bit like convention wise. You guys I would say, you know, when you say we, as the shop, we just did a convention all together. Everybody showed up in Iowa two weeks ago, and that was really good. I had a great time doing that. That was the first time we've done, like, a whole shop trip where we all.

Yeah, where we all showed up. But, I'm only doing maybe a couple conventions a year. Yeah, yeah. Right now I'm not really, you know, I mean, I'm not really out there that much of, you know, I like being home with the fam and the dogs and, you know, stuffing the plants and make sure everything's good. And yeah, that's really peaceful for me. So You kids are older. You've toured, I yeah, I have two daughters, 117 and one seven. Oh okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It's about a ten year gap there. Yeah. That's awesome. I Enjoy being a dad. I love it at the best. Yeah.

At ten years old I started over and I was like let's have another one. You know let's do this again. I had my first one when I was 24. So you know, I was, I was really trying to, you know, create some kind of stability in my life. So I was really focused on, you know, career and doing all those things when she was young. So I feel like I did like, you know, miss some things. And in with my new daughter, I'm trying to, like, get that back and really, you know, like, you know, appreciate these these young years, you know, while she's little because I see my oldest daughter get old and that's it's hard. it's it's awesome to see her, you know, grow and and be her own person.

But at the same time, I miss, you know, her being a little nugget too. Yeah. It's the best time ever. Minor, just turned five and seven, Yeah, it's the best. So this you come home the young daddy. Daddy said oh, it's the best, best fucking feeling ever. I want to record it when you're just. When you see me and you come running to me every day, I'm like, fortunate enough because because of our flexibility in what we do, I'm able to pick them up every day.

Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah, it's it's important. It's really important. You feel like you're finding a good, like, work life balance. Yeah. Balance is super important to me. So.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, You know what I mean? It gets wonky here and there, and, you see, you have to prioritize certain things, you know, over family sometimes, but that's just part of living, you know? So you make up for it when you're when you're in your downtime. Right. What's your work week like you do four days a I'm usually five days a week in the shop, Tuesday through Saturday, noon to six or something like that. Yeah. not terrible.

You do a lot of your drawing and everything there. Do you I do most of my drawing at home. Yeah, yeah, Okay. yeah. Usually a couple days before the night before I'm like in bed watching Netflix and drawing for hours. Yeah. I mean, I used to be in my office just at the, the drawing table for hours and hours, hunched over on my chair, you know, yeah. but now it's like with the iPad, kind of just take it wherever through the house and, you know, work on things as you move around, do stuff.

It's it's pretty incredible. Yeah. lot of your illustration just on iPad For the most part, yeah. I do a lot of just like sketching and just roughing simple stuff out of my head on paper and, you know, little sketchbooks and things. And sometimes I'll take that stuff and take picture of it with the iPad and then, you know, I'll run that. It's hard But but mainly it's sketching on the iPad. And that's so easy fluid for me. I the second I touched it, I don't know, I really.

It took me some time to get used to like the plastic on glass feel. Yeah, because it doesn't have that gritty pencil to paper where you can really feel it. You know, Well you know, I, I struggle so much with, I work with like tracing paper and light tables and color and colored pencils forever. And I was, oh, I just draw, like, real hard. And I'm just going through a pencil like, every, you know, 30 minutes and you're drawing. And so I don't know why. It's just like I found this ability just to, like, be loose and like, not. It's almost like I could fucking relax with it or something.

Yeah, well, I mean, and you have every application, every tool out there to be successful. You just have to find the shit that works for you, too. Yeah, Yeah. So that's like, I don't know, I mean, I fucking like, like I don't want to jump all over the place, but that kind of leads me into like, your murals and stuff too. Was like, do you do a lot of all of that through the iPad too? And yeah, the mural stuff is now all iPad driven. Yeah, yeah. That's cool.

Yeah. and stuff. So I tend to use a projector if I can. A lot of spaces won't allow you to if you're, tight. Yeah, if you're a tight space or there's too much light or you can't back up far enough to get a big wall or, you know, whatever it might be. But if I can. Yes, I'm using that projector to get it on there. do it.

And for the listeners, like it. If you don't know, you got to get in and check out Brett's, murals. Like you, I don't even know how many times during, like, just going out in town, I run across your murals here in Las Vegas. It's like crazy, Thank you. Yeah, it's, it's like everywhere. I got a lot of them out there. Yeah. eat, like, Greek food the other day, and I look up and I was like, okay, America.

Nice. Good. Good spot. Really good spot. Yeah, I they have a ton of locations. I probably done 7 or 8 zoos for them now. Yeah, Centennial one. yeah, yeah, All right.

Dude. Great guys. The guys who own that place or they're awesome dude. Shout out to them. And that's been like, a like a big I don't want to call it a side hustle, but it's, it seems like it's almost like half of your workweek, Yeah, I mean, I think we could probably call it a side hustle. Hustle. Yeah. But, you know, it's, it's it's pretty pretty lucrative for me.

So it's. I call it a side hustle. Seems to kind of downplay it a little bit. It's definitely something I do less than tattooing about the shop every day. But, yeah, the mural stuff stays pretty consistent Yeah. So I've always got a job I'm working on somewhere doing some Yeah, I love it. oh yeah. And you're fucking good at it Thank you.

I really really enjoy seeing your work You scale things so well and back to, like, just your style like crosses over into tattooing and back and forth on the murals But just the color palettes and everything are so strong dude. And I feel like. Thank you. I feel like I learned a while back that, I needed some some consistency between my tattoo work and like, the mural work that I was starting to do because a lot of people were starting to like, you know, connect the two. Yeah. So I realized that, all right, I have to make my stuff really noticeably. Me. Yeah.

So, you know, you might see a mural out there of a giant hawk or something, and it might look just like a tattoo that I might have made for somebody. So, you know, I feel like that's a really valuable thing to. You know what I mean? To be noticed like that, has that been a challenge to, like, always get clients on board with that same style or not necessarily. I think most people that are hiring me already know the type of work I do and are familiar with what I'm going to provide them already. So yeah, I just do that, and I most of the time I get the best response from like doing what I think is best or doing what I think is, you know what I mean, the right way. Or what if I if I'm really into something, I feel like that's when I'm going to get the best response from my client or whoever's hiring me for that job.

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I mean literally seeing your stuff like in from alleys downtown to Allegiant Stadium, like, Atomic Golf, like doing massive murals and in highly trafficked, like, really cool places. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, you can find my work anywhere from, you know, the Raider Stadium to down in the tunnels underneath the stadium. So, I'm willing to do the thing. did you have, like, a long history of, say, you know, the illegal graffiti I'm always been really, I've always. I've always been really intrigued by graffiti and involved in it in, in a way.

But it's never been my, my focus, you know what I mean? It's just something that I enjoy. I, I like watching the scene. I like knowing the, the the guys and you know what I mean? It's just something that I like. So I keep in tap, you know? So I partake here and there, but I'm so busy with life and work that, you know, that's like something I do for fun here and there. Yeah, loose a little everyone.

So yeah, that's fun to get out there. Explore, you know what I mean? Get around and, you know, just get out in the streets with your friends and, yeah, you know, make some art somewhere. It's fun. Yeah. Very liberating. You know, doing something not for you. You know what I mean?

For monetary gain or anything. Just just have fun. Sculptures and paint on the walls. Feels good. Yeah, I don't know, I was just downtown recently. I saw some, God, what am I brain farting the fucking the the rapper, the mask, the The MF doom. Doom. Yeah, yeah.

Just like, as soon as it came out of my mouth, I'm like, yeah. It was like, right now. And there are those. MF doom yeah, I did last right before Christmas last year and got a great response from it. Just like I said, like one of those things you do for no monetary gain. No, you're not doing it for anybody specifically, just for myself, you know what I mean? We had an older one there that got, the yeah, it just got tagged over by other graffiti artists. So, you know, I went and did a brand new one because it was one of those pieces that just was like, loved by the community over there, you know, even though it was just a quick throw up, you know, kind of tribute to my man after he passed away that year.

Yeah. And, you know, when I redid is probably one of the best responses I got from a mural painting ever, like on, on social media, which was unexpected. You know, I was not expecting that. I mean, it's like, obviously another like, reflection of your style is just so bold and clean and just, I don't know, I love it because it's just very everything you do is very legible, Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that one. I feel like that one struck because it looked really classic like I kind of took a few different album covers and ran right, right in between all of those and created something new So, you know, with seeing that mural, you might think like, oh, that's something I seen before, but yeah, it was my creation. Yeah, yeah.

And then know I was digging to you. I didn't realize you did. The giant rocket ship on the side of the area. 15. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like 90% of the big murals that are on the outer facade and, like, inner facade of the new area, 15.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where the universal horror is, it's totally open now. Yeah, yeah. I think there's a few businesses that haven't quite fully opened all the way, but universal horrors open. There's another thing over there called the Ark, which is like a 3D immersive experience ride, kind of like a universal thing, too. And then they got some like little restaurants and they're going to open a selfie museum right there and some other cool stuff. Hey, let me ask you this. Have you noticed that the better your tools are, the smoother everything feels in the shop here?

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Don't want to discuss. You know what I mean? Just because I don't want to fucking ruin it before it even, you know what I mean? Secures itself. Yeah, but. Yeah, yeah. Big things coming. Yeah.

Big things coming. Always is. There's just I don't know, I mean, it seems like every major venue in town you've been able to, like, somehow fucking got in there, I don't know. Yeah. I got in there. Just, you know, just trustworthy guy. Yeah, you you show up and you put in the work, and and it's fucking good. And it's.

That's all. It's all they can Yeah, I'm there. And I give 100% every time. You know, I try my damn hardest to do you do much, collaborative work with the murals. Yeah, I do a lot of collaborative work. You know, I work with, one of my good friends, Dana Anderson. He has a group called the ISI group. Yeah.

And he has a ton of artists on his roster. And a lot of the projects we do, involves more than just me. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, I do a lot of, collaborative. Yeah. Mural work.

Yeah. you do much too. Collaborative tattoos. here and there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we have like, a ton of collaborative tattoos going on at the shop. Yeah. I've gotten in on a couple of them, but, yeah, I'd like to do more.

Yeah, yeah. I never even really done one before, That's fun. It's fun. It's fun working with your friends, doing anything. You know what I mean? But you know what I mean. Getting to getting to do a big, fun tattoo on, like, you know, a fun client with your with your bud. How's it get better than that?

You know, You seem to like, keep yourself pretty, like, low key as far as putting yourself out there, right? I mean, I am. Yeah, I'm not very good at social media or. Yeah. I just, you know, I just kind of do stuff how it feels right that day, you know what I mean? I'm not I'm not really that great at, you know, managing myself as a business. You know, I'm just good at creating every day. Yeah.

Maybe I should hire an art agent or something. One of them is out there. Yeah. Contact me. know, sometimes I wish I was, like, a little less entrepreneur driven Yeah. just let it out. You know? Yeah.

I always have to have a reason nowadays to, like, book time to paint and stuff So one of the reasons why Dane is so valuable to me, you know what I mean? Because he fulfills that, you know, part of my personality that, you know, I'm black and a little bit, you know, I'm just I'm the creative guy. I just come through and I just make stuff. Yeah, yeah, I make the stuff. And then I show up. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a it's a very, very fun to watch you work and stuff, but, so before you, before you were at one, like, you were you with. You were with Aaron That was an acronym in at at Heritage Tattoo on Sunset and Sand Hill in Las Vegas for 11 years, I think.

Yeah, 10 or 11 years. I was there. Yeah. Over a decade for sure. And I and I worked with Aaron before that at Pussycat Tattoo. I worked with them there for about four ish years or something. And he's the one who vouched for me to to get hired over there and them. Yeah, yeah, a lot.

I love that guy. Yeah. So did you open up heritage with him or. I mean, Well, he when we when he decided to start heritage and open up the shop. I stayed at Pussycat for, I don't know, I was a handful of months, maybe an extra 8 or 9 months or something, just to kind of smooth out everybody leaving because, you know. Yeah. Air and left and, you know, the the boss. Dirk.

He knew that I was planning on leaving too. And then Aaron took his apprentice. So that was three people essentially that he was losing at one. So I tried to hold a little bit of loyalty there and stayed at the shop for a little bit. And, you know, I basically just let those guys build it all out. And then I showed up when it was all done. That's awesome. How did your relationship with DJ get built up and how did you guys end up coming together.

J. is just a mutual friend that, you know, I've had in town for here for ever since I can remember. And, you know, he's just a huge inspiration for me. So, you know, he's always just somebody that I've valued their friendship. And, you know, we've talked about open in the shop for years, and at some point, like, I think it just finally came to be the right time to do it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was good.

You know, I was in a good place and, you know, he was ready. So we did the thing seems like just a real nice, like steady, like Yeah, he's very grounded and down to earth for being such a superstar. Honestly. You know, it's funny because I always forget I've never even seen Ink Master before. You. You should. You should watch it. It's a show about tattoos.

You like tattoos, right? don't really watch too much TV, but yeah, like so I, I just never even think of him as that. I just think of him as the dude that is super talented. There was that bad apple for years, Yeah. I've just really always enjoyed seeing his work and his illustration and stuff come Yeah. Like I know he's that and yeah, I see it every day, but I don't really, you know, I don't treat him like that. Guys treat him like It's funny. Yeah.

the homie you know. I'll watch it sometime. check it out. There are some good seasons man. The season the season that Bobby was on was really good. Bobby and Freddy, James. Tex. Yeah.

James Tex and his son just ruled that season. That's a good one to watch. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a lots of good seasons with tons of great artists Over the years, they they really did bring in so much talent. And it was cool to see, like, the stubbornness of the tattoo to give in and then actual Yeah, you know, but I think the stubbornness kind of gave in because the show got more quality, too. Like it started off, I would say a little cheesy and maybe a little misunderstood. And then as they got better judges and better tattooers and kind of figured out how what they were doing a little bit, you know, everything became a lot more organic. And I think Tattooers appreciate that.

Real Tattooers. Yeah. And we see like, how it can change your whole career Oh, amazing. Yeah. Oh, I yeah, trust me, I had the I get the front row seat. Yeah. Of how it can just boost your career trajectory up into the it's it's top tiers. Yeah.

It's amazing. Yeah. And it's. What a cool thing that. What a cool thing to have, right? Like. Or would we rather have it or not. You know what I mean?

I think Ink Master has done a lot for, for tattooing industry in general. Yeah, lots of positive things. I mean, we can probably talk about a few negatives, but yeah, more positives and negatives for sure. Are you pretty good these days about staying away from all the negative shit? I've never really seen you as much. I'm. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I'm, No nonsense, no drama, no bullshit, no negativity kind of person. So you can bring that to me, but it'll it's going to fucking bounce right off of this. You know, I just, I can't I can't do it. Yeah. It just doesn't vibe with me. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody who knows anybody who knows me knows that I'm very even keel.

I'm the same person every day. I'm always in a good mood. I'm always super positive. And I try to push that on. You know, anybody I come in contact with? Yeah. It's too easy to get caught up in, in negativity. And it definitely doesn't help you or the people around know.

shape or form. So in a world full of hate and negativity. Like you have to bring as much love to that. Yeah, as you can to balance it all out. And you know, I'm more, more, more, more about balance. So yeah, I'm like some sometimes like, unfortunately a little too nice. And I have let like certain people kind of like let that shit in around me a little bit and then I just. But I'm pretty good about not, you know, letting it stick, Yeah.

Once it starts affecting you, you realize, like, oh, I have to do something about this, or it's because it's affecting me negatively. like, dude, I can't you got to go, bro. Like, I mean, It only takes one person And it just spreads like wildfire Yeah, it takes one person and fuck it all up. So it took me a lot of years over the years of like managing people and then in our peers and friends, finally being like, yo, I like being able to deliver the message in a good way. Like, Yeah. And you just to move on. Like, I just can't have that shit. Yeah.

You attract to the people that fit you best. You know what I mean? yeah, yeah. And I always just, you need like, ten Dos Franks in the shop, right. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just people that are just, like, smiling and like that just, you know, it brings in the better vibes for the client too.

And everybody like overall it's just Yeah, way healthier just to stay fucking positive. If you feel shitty or you're negative, like go for a fucking walk, dude. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Having good good having good energy is is key. I feel like there lately there's just like too much, you know. Oh well there's a ton of.

Yeah there's a ton of bad shit going on. So it's like yeah you can really get caught up in that, you know what I mean. Or you can recognize it, be aware of it and then move on. Yeah, yeah. Try to focus on some more positive shit. you deal with some haters and stuff over the years. always. Yeah, yeah.

Putting your heart out there. Yeah. You got to have fucking, you got to have people that hate you. You know what I mean? Like if you don't, if you don't have those people then like, yeah, you're just not doing it enough. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of people are fucking just don't like you and they don't even know what. Yeah, you know, it's all right. So they'll figure it out them with a smile. I say, yeah, sometimes I'll even send them product or something like that, you know, just Yeah, just you overcome that, you know what I mean? It's like, who cares? Cares So I don't know. Yeah. Overall you do.

You like, like where you're at with tattooing and everything. I mean, it's fucking. Yeah. I feel like right now, you know, right now, you know, like we kind of already talked about. I have all these amazing artists working at the shop, it's incredibly inspirational. Like, it pushes me to just want to be, like, so much better, you know what I mean? Than, you know, how you get into this comfortable space where you make your stuff and everything's cool, and then, you know, someone comes around that really blows your mind, and it makes you go like, fuck, I can do better. Yeah, that's how I feel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though I'm really confident with what I'm creating, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, I can do better. Yeah, yeah, there's always room for improvement and I'm trying to like, improve right now. Are you good at not being too hard on yourself, though? Now I'm super hard on myself. Yeah I know I'm super hard on my self. Just like I feel like we all are.

We're artists. We're like. You were incredibly sensitive about our work, and we only want to hear, like, the best things. But, you know, we're also students of the game no matter how long you've been doing it. So as I think as long as you stay in that mindset, you're going to keep growing. You know, once you once you say fuck it like, this is fine you then you plateau and know, I there's no reason to really even try any harder at that point Right? Just you're supposed to be. Yeah I don't think it's a very healthy place to be Want to always be growing you you ever growing small amounts You know, it's not like we have to fucking scale the whole mountain today I just want to, like, make a little bit of progress each day I love the shop that you guys put together too Like like the esthetics of it and everything It's kind of like this fine art gallery but it's got it's still got some great to it Thanks.

You know. Yeah. What? How did that come about? How did how did one we. What's the name? we decided on, I think, before even looking at any units that were available, We decided on opening up a shop that looked more like a art gallery. Yeah, because it does.

The esthetic that I think worked best for both of our personalities. Something really clean with bright artwork and like still being a comfortable place where you could get tattooed. But I don't think there's, you know, a ton of shops out there that really look like that. So we're just trying to do something a little different, you know, all the shops that I've ever worked in, I've been taxidermy on the walls and a ton of clutter, and not that I don't enjoy that. I love it, you know what I mean? What? It's what I've always been comfortable in. But, this new shop, we just wanted to try a little bit new esthetic, something a little bit cleaner and brighter.

Yeah, it's clean, it's bright, it's fun. But like I said, like, I mean, it's still just like the level of artwork. I mean, the amount of artwork in there is awesome. And they do the giant sculptures in the middle and everything. Thank you. Yeah, want to come by and do like a little video you should. Yeah. He said, please do.

Yeah. You guys got some great, like, art, like, it's like a lot of, like, reader one stuff and Yeah we are. Yeah. We got a lot of Michael Rieder stuff. J. have like, the same kind of taste in style of, like, you know, fashion artwork. So it was really easy to, like I had a lot of work, you know, a big collection of artwork that we put into the shop before we opened, so we didn't really have to, like, buy a bunch of artwork and get it in there. But since we've opened, we were like constantly switching out a lot of the paintings and a lot of art in there and trying to keep it fresh and new.

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's cool. Mean, I was even a DJ was giving me a little tour the other day, and, there was some beautiful work in there that he said was a client of yours. There was an electrician Yes. on the side. Yeah. His name is Nick. His Instagram is art at Wicked or Wicked Art. I forget exactly what, but he's, one of Emmanuel Sacred Crows older clients.

When he was working with us at the shop. And he's an electrician, he was, you know, he was off of work for all of December and I think part of January. So he was just at the shop with this painting for like four weeks straight. He did. He did, like, two giant paintings. He did a painting for TJ to paint for me. I think he did another small painting for Emanuel, and we have 2 or 3 of them up at the shop right now. They're incredible.

It's amazing that this guy's a fucking electrician when he's banging out art like this and so effortlessly, too. It's like, well, I watched him like, you know, sketch and draw a bunch of stuff. And I'm just like, this guy's got so much talent. Like, Dude. It's cool. He's, you know, why is he fucking, you know, wiring up No, I know, but at the same time I like that he's got this, like, consistent, like, that's not an easy career, you know. But he's doing his thing. He's Yeah.

He is creating like stellar artwork on the side. Is pretty bad. yeah. And he's not really like posting it either. Like I think a bunch of the paintings that he did for us, he never even put online or I'm just like, wow, this guy is incredible. And he doesn't show anybody. that's that's a shame kind of though crazy. He's so good.

Yeah, we love him. Nick, shout out to you. One block started. were looking sponsored over here today. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, doc. One block started at the first, unit that we looked at.

It was over. It was over off Fremont and Main Street or something. And it was one square block, like it was its own freestanding building. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah, And I think we were just out in the parking lot chopping it up, like talking about names. And one block popped out of his mouth out there. I don't remember, but it was just like, oh, well, that sounds that sounds like certified. You know, it's like, I don't know, it just sounds like stable, you know what I mean?

That's fun. So, yeah, I mean, we just kind of stuck with that and we took it to the to the new shop. We didn't end up getting that building. Yeah. That, that it it fell through and it was a real old shitty building anyways. But it was in a cool area. It was like a block away from Fremont Street. And Oh, it was sick right there.

downtown. Yeah. Yeah, it would have been a mess. yeah, yeah, It would have been a mess. It would have been a terrible, terrible, terrible thing. But but yeah, like the inside of the building was really cool. It was like, you know, an old funky building, you know, all open on the inside. And it was right down in the mix of all the fucking chaos over there.

So we were like, oh, this might be fun. You know? Yeah. But yeah, our location, I was like, perfect. But that's where one block came from. It was that one block and I think just the name, just like I said, like, sounds like a solid foundation, you know what I mean? Like the first block, the first block you build with or, you know. Yeah.

It doesn't ever have to make sense either. Just Doesn't necessarily have to make sense. Yeah. Just like everybody asks us where the name comes from, just because it's different. It sounds cool. Sounds like came from somewhere. But yeah. You guys been having fun with your merch lately?

Yeah, yeah. We've been trying to, like, consistently drop merch. Yeah. Right now we did this like bootleg. Yeah. New balance rip. So that's fun. Yeah.

five panels or eight rooms. Five panels. That's Yeah, yeah. Five hours. So you can is the goal goal to continue to grow that. And, Yeah. We're just trying to drop merch every couple of months just to keep things fresh and, you know like just keep, stuff cool. you guys plan on doing, like, putting on that online or is it you have it on site?

No. Or really, right now we're just doing local pick up, and you know what? We will ship out. Yeah, but but we just do it through DMs on Instagram. Like, we'll throw a shirt up, you know what I mean? And if you want one, DM us. And and Jenna J's wife will get you on the books. Take your payment, send out your package and do all that stuff.

if you ever have any questions about e-commerce, let me know. Yeah I will. Yeah. Once we scale up, once we scale up, complicated as it I'm sure mean, to get it I know we could make it probably a lot easier on days y if she didn't have to bag and tag and send and ship and receive all the things. Yeah, I think that's that's probably something we'll be looking into. Yeah. That's cool. So overall though, people can just stop in the shop and, yeah, you guys, if you guys have like consistent hours, I mean, I know it's mostly by appointment only, right?

Yeah. Like I said, I mean we all kind of we all kind of shop for the same schedule. m. m. Oh, okay. And then you shut down Sunday. Monday. Unless for the most part.

Yeah. I mean, we have like a lot of guest artists coming into town. So they might be there on a Sunday, Monday, or we might be pop in on Sunday, Monday, do some tats or whatever. But for the most part, yeah, we probably won't be there Sunday ever. And then Monday it's it's a maybe, you know, you. But like most of your guest artists just kind of let's it's all just word of mouth through friends and everything. Just pop into town and. Yeah.

Yeah. I think for the most part, it's word of mouth. I mean, since we're a pretty new shop, like, we're not getting a ton of walk ins and stuff yet. So, yeah, I mean, if you're coming to the shop to do a guest spot, you definitely need to drum up your own clientele and bring somebody. Is that something you would ever want to do is evolve it to where it was more of like an open spot where you could have, like, other artists or something, you know, take walk ins. I mean, I think that would be great, but just this is the quality of artists that we're hiring right now. Just can't. can't do that.

Yeah. You know. Just So yeah, it's great. We love when when people walk into the shop and want like a small town makes us feel great even though we can't do it, Oh, even though we don't have time to do it. We love it. Yeah. Please come into the shop and ask us if we do walk ins. We probably won't be able to.

It feels nice. Yeah I mean, that's fun, you guys. Yeah. I mean, you guys have, definitely have an opportunity to do whatever the fuck you want. You know, you have, like, such a great, healthy crew there that seems to all have such a good following to you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, we've got a great crew right now. And man, like, just like I said, like being born and raised here.

We have all the resources and all the things that we need to for to, to to succeed. So yeah we're in a really good position. Shit. What else you got planned for tattooing? man, I don't know, like I said, like I'm just trying to, like, just focus on quality and kind of like, you know, just bumping up my designs and and just feeling a little bit better about what I'm doing. Yeah. Other than that, I mean, I don't know if I have any, like, long big grandiose plans for tattooing. Yeah.

I just want to keep doing the same thing I've been doing now, you know, as your mind and body holding up though? I feel. I feel really good. Yeah. Yeah, I feel really good. Bodies. I, you know, I wake up tight sometimes tight shoulders and, you know, my, my back starts getting sore after a long, you know, long hours in a week. But other than that, I feel really good.

You know, I do my little yoga here and there. Yeah. Yeah, I do my stretches and, you know, I stay active doing the mural stuff too. So. So that gets me out of the shop and not so hunched over every day. And it gets me, you know, like climbing up ladders and reaching and doing all the things. That helps out, too. But, yeah, I feel really good.

Your eyes are good and everything. Yeah. my eyes started taking a shit big time. And, like, I got my fucking readers now so I can see, Really? hate it. Yeah. I mean, old. are good.

I've always been. I think it's what? Far sighted. Where I can't see. Very good. Far away. But I can see really good up close. So I'm good.

I'm good. Yeah. For now, I'm good. Yeah. So yeah, I look up and I can't see shit. But you know what I mean? Like, right. That tatt in front of my face, I can see really well.

Okay. I don't know, you got any, like, inspiration or like, like favorite artists outside of your shop right now, and you have so many people coming through, but anybody out there that you're some of my favorite artists right now, filthy art tattooer. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's he's, one of my favorites. He's killing it. We got Jack Gox. He's going to be at the shop, I think, mid June. Yeah. He's killing it.

Who else? Man, there's so many great tattooers out there. I mean, I'm so inspired by some of my best friends. Aaron Riddle. Yeah. Emmanuel, sacred crow, those guys. come out and do guest spots again or, He hasn't been out since he left the shop last year. But, you know, he's just trying to get back in the zone over there in Columbus.

I'm sure he'll be doing a guest spot with us soon. Here. I need to hit him up. I asked him to do one of those trains Yeah, his trains are sick. They're so cool. Yeah. He has, I think one of the best styles out there in tattooing right now. You know what I mean?

Like, if we're going to talk about the most unique style in tattooing, you know what I mean? I think Emmanuel's probably on way up there on the top of my list. Yeah, he's great. Our good kind too. I don't know why he just Yeah, yeah. Sick love looking up shit Sick kind of, like, real, really animated style, but it's, like, so polished and fucking It's great. I love me of his stuff too. love it?

yeah. I don't think we kind of have, like, talked about, partnerships too, and, like, having good quality people behind you. I think you asked me one time at a convention, you were like, do you think you'd be where you're at today without your wife? And I was like, whoa, I don't know. That was kind of an interesting question because like, I, you know, I feel like I was pretty successful before her and, you know, and happy and solid and then you like you ask that and I'm like, yeah, but I don't think, like all this shit that we have right now, like, me personally, sounds like wife's the same. It's like so good to have a more level head than I've ever had, ever, you know? And it sounds like that's where you're at, too. And having somebody behind you is just like, the most healthy thing I think you can possibly do, Yeah.

it is. It's so good for you for your, your mental health, physical, fucking everything. Like, 100% definitely give my, huge amount of credit just to having somebody that's there that can push you through those hard times and not somebody that pulls you down. And I just been around so many tattooers, unfortunately, that I've watched and just have not good spouses. Yes. not a good thing, man. It's like Once you find a person who really, you know, uplifts you and motivates you to be the best version of yourself that you can be, I think a lot of things click, and especially if you're like working into that every day, does, you know, you're having a strong female behind you. Is that really.

best you. yeah, yeah. It'll push a man to do but and conquer anything, you know what I mean. But if there's nobody there, you're kind of just going off your own willpower. But if there's two people manifesting the same thing, it's going to happen faster for sure. Especially if you have somebody who's like, Bright or Die Strong right behind you, understands you, fills in the gaps, does the things you know. brutally honest with Yeah, you need that. think we all need that brutal honesty more than anything.

Yeah, yeah. people. I've watched this with Tattooers for so long, like, get gassed up from their clients, always telling them their their shit and blah, blah, blah, you They start to get this false like sense of, you know, this giant Yeah. Your clients are going to tell you the honest truth. No, but your fucking wife. Well, you know what I mean. Like, I've shot I've shown Diana the drawings, you know what I mean? Plenty of times.

And she's like, what the fuck is that? Or like, what's that thing? And then I look and I'm like, yeah, you're fucking right. I can specifically think of a tattoo that I actually followed through on and didn't really think, like I thought I was nailing it. Yeah. And then I was at lunch with my wife one day and I showed her, and she's just like, the fuck do you do there? fuck is that? Yeah, it's like, still, I could feel it.

Yeah. It's like, but it's a good, you know what I mean? It's a it's a very healthy, like, jab to your fucking, you know, ego. yeah, it was like so fucking melted all day. I was The good it. Well, it makes you step back and go like oh yeah I should, you know, look at things with a more critical eye or you know. yeah. Because I think I was like, I thought I was nailing it to, And sometimes you're doing it and like, even things like this, like getting yourself like just constantly pushing my me personally, pushing myself to do things like this.

This is not something that's natural. Like to sit down and No, no, I'd rather not. Yeah I'd rather not. But you know and I'm sure I yeah it's, fun and I but I do like have this new, like interest and passion and to be able to like, sit down with artists like you that I've admired like throughout my career. It's cool now it's like a new platform and I'm just trying to learn and do better and figure out where it can go, Okay. Do you're doing a great job. Oh, kudos to you. I'm excited about, like, I don't know, it's fun because we have these like, like, conversations at conventions or in passing or something.

To sit down, like, I've sat down with, like, Jen and like a handful of your other Yeah. Oh John's the fucking. He's the funnest person to talk to about anything because he's just so animated. He's just Like an, an incredibly smart dude too, you know what I mean? For being so like, you know what I mean? Fucking cartoon character. He's smart. It knows what he's doing.

Like, yeah, this is a great guide in be himself. And I think that's a, you know, that in itself is a challenge for us and as artists too, because like, Like we all just kind of as artists like are naturally kind of introverts Yeah, an extent, you I would say so. Yeah, I would say most, most artists are, in some type of sense introverted, you know what I mean? yeah And it does. It takes a little something to pull you out of that. tattooing. I mean, did it for me, Yeah. You have to be so personable.

Yeah, you have to be so personable. And you have to be, like, pretty locked in with people, or else you'll be disconnected and, you know, that's not a way to form relationships with with clients. like a huge I can't handle, like the, the headphone kind of like aspect to tattooing. I feel like unfortunately those people are like those tattooers are missing out on building all of these great relationships. Like, Yeah, like the people that I want to, like, reach out for, like mentorship or even, you know, any advice or anything. Now in my life are people I met through tattooing that I created those bonds with. And Yeah, call just to talk to and a lot of things that will benefit your personal life, too, if you get in to talking to somebody and, you know, it's I've met some of my favorite people, it's just like getting to know them while I'm tattooing them.

And then I realized that I really like this person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think I learned a lot too. Real quick through tattooing about not being judgmental. Like, it's real easy to obviously, like, judge each other when we first meet each other. But then you sit down with somebody and then you see them from our standpoint in this state of vulnerability, where they're going through hours and hours of pain with you on your ribs or something, you really get to learn about that person, like who they are and they open up to you, they always open up to you for me personally to like someone will open up to me within the first two minutes of me tattooing them or whatever. And then like, I'm, I'm interested to. Yeah.

And I'm, I'm quite a bit nosy, dude, you know what I mean? So I start asking questions, you know, respectfully, I start asking questions, you know, because I'm curious, No for sure. And that's I think one of the, my most favorite things about tattooing. And so now it's like fun to kind of do this because I'm like oh okay. Well now doing it with like other tattooers. And then we all have Yeah. common and, and it's really fun to just get down in there and learn from everybody. Totally.

There's a lot to learn from each other. That's cool. I wanted to know more about your murals and like, how that all came about, your tattooing, where you want to go with tattooing. It's like Dude, I just want to move up, you know what I mean? Whatever that means to me. I just want to just keep moving up. Yeah, like I said, if it's gradual, if it's at a high pace, as long as I'm moving up and not stay in too steady or moving down, you know, that's where I want to be. Yeah.

Yeah. Just keep this consistency going in. My life is really my goal. I'm seeing it, man. And watching it. It's like it's it's really cool, man. Thank you. I'm like, just likewise.

fan, so it's cool, Yeah, dude, I want to just continue to watch you grow. It's really cool. And, I just thank you for coming by and hanging thanks for having me. dude. And, hopefully, we'll see you again soon. Yeah. We'll do another podcast where we talk about aliens and, yeah, government conspiracies and mermaids or some shit. he doesn't want to talk about tattooing at all.

Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Let's bring Bobby in and we'll just have a line of things that we're going to we got to get Levi in here too, man. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, he is. You're going to have to have a whole. Yeah, I can have the whole itinerary ready for him. Yeah. Levi's the best do talk about talent, Oh man.

want, like, every time I look at anything he does, I'm just like, what the just incredible. Then just the amazing tattoo where everything he does that's another thing too, is, like, the same with you. Like, I read this in when airbrushing was big in the 90s. I used to read the airbrush and this guy wrote a he was just saying in an article about how if you can get really good at drawing female faces, you can be so incredibly successful in your career. Like, I don't know what that is about. Just us as men and women Yeah. to, like the beauty of a woman Yeah. I think just nailing a female face is incredibly difficult.

It's very you can anybody can jump on. Anybody can jump on, the internet and grab a beautiful lady's face and trace it. Yeah, but it doesn't work. And is that something that you've always like? I mean, you've you've been doing them for a while and you, do you still just fully sketch everything from scratch and you I do a little. I do a little combination of everything. sketches over a All rough sketch over a face. If that doesn't work, I'll just rough sketch out a face.

Sometimes I'll have something in my head that's very particular that I want to get on paper and, like, I don't have a reference for it or I can't find one, so I'll just. I'll rough that and I'll rough that until it works. Or, you know, I mean, there's, there's not like a, an exact process that I follow. But just so you know, whatever is organic in that moment. Yeah, It was the like the makeup in the hair is always like super intimidating. Thank you. Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's hard dude.

Yeah I try Yeah. And and you put you pushed through and progressed like so. Well is that I don't know. You got any advice for like, younger tattooers that are trying to jump in and and attack that stuff? Yeah. I mean don't try to emulate anybody else Just try to do whatever you feel is right and not what you think somebody else got success from doing Yeah, Yeah. because that's what's ultimately what's going to you know, make you into your own artists That's what's going to create some type of uniqueness in your work That's personal to you And that's what people want to see They don't want to see the the chopped down version of like, the other guy's stuff That's really good Who's already established you know. So feel like there's a lot of like very similar stuff out there do take the risks and you do take the chances of trying to do something unique and that is kind of the only way you're ever really going to stand out there's like a feeling to something.

You know what I mean that like feels cool and feels right. And when something's a cheap version of something that feels cool and feels right, it's just that, yeah, you know, I feel like we need to get off the internet, too. And like, seek other inspirations as far as our art from, like, different cultures or different, you know, Yeah, I to bring that into your styles, like, I think tattooing needs that right now. Yeah. Maybe breaking out of the boundaries of what everybody's just been doing, you know what I mean? For the past ten years, over and over and over again, trying some new shit, which I do see happening. And, you know, when you see it, you're like, wow, that's like cool. You know what I mean?

We need more of that. But that takes that also that that also takes clients to like understand that like new and unique stuff is not like, you know, scary and it's cool. Yeah. You know, it's not weird. It's fucking being weird. It's cool. do you feel like you ever had had to really, like, try to sell your clients on newer stuff? You were pushing totally.

Oh, I sold clients all my shit for my whole entire career. You know? And do you do do it more with like a combination of your words but plus like just literally showing them. both. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, showing a client a piece and then being able to explain that piece to them in a way that makes sense. Is is it.

Yeah. If you can do that, then you'll probably be really successful with you know what I mean? Showing people and being confident about showing people your designs. Because sometimes it is hard, especially when someone comes to you for not something super specific and you have to kind of judge their personality and judge them as a person, while maybe not ever spending more than ten minutes with them before, you know. So do you spend a decent amount of time trying to, like, if it's a newer client like that and you, you're not 100% sure on their direction. Do you more time talking to them and drawing for I might yeah, I might spend some extra time just kind of feeling out them as a person. And I usually doing that, I can kind of, I can grab on to something that I feel is you know what I mean.

Important to those people. Yeah. And I run with that. I think that's But yeah, have to be good. Kind of really like listening very well and and judging that person, like, in, in a way that is going to be helpful for you later, you know what I mean? But if you're only focusing on just the consultation details, you might miss out on those subtle, those subtle things that kind of go like, oh, this guy likes this, or he's going to be into this, or you know what I mean? I'll ask people other questions that don't even have to relate to, you know, the designs that we're talking about. Because I know that these questions are going to lead me to something, you know what I mean?

Gets gets to know that person just a little bit better enough to where I can navigate designing for them in a way that I know is going to hit. I think that's like I just simple lesson of just like it's all you you got to be willing to go above and beyond if you really want Yeah, that. And you really want to push your art to that level and get somebody to purchase it and pay you what have to be willing to sit down and talk to them longer and try to figure it out and or just give them like a really, really thorough, rendering and stuff to, Yep. that they not most people can't see what you, what you're doing. Nobody can see what you're doing, you know, but like being able to, like, go that extra mile to get that artwork out and show them is and not worry about like, maybe this guy fucking won't feel it, but yeah, least you have it for the next client or something Yeah, it is important if you can key on in in on that person's personality right away, then you'll be able to create better for them for sure.

Yeah. I just, really appreciate you, man. Coming by. Dude is real cool to sit down with you, and, I'm just excited to see, Yeah. Any time I'd like, I'd like to come back and do it again. Yeah. dude. Let's get, like, one of the other guys in here.

To me, we can. I can set up for people now, Cool. Oh, really? Yeah. Let's do that. I can get a big one in here and get everybody rapping about whatever the Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, yeah. So I'm, I'm really excited about doing this and really, like, looking forward to reaching out.

Also like if you have any female tattooer friends, like I don't have, I haven't had a whole lot of female guests. And we Oh, really? Should get Kelsey laid on here, cause she's the best. And she's so fun to talk to. Yeah, she's my favorite dude. Yeah, I can execute them down there. Yeah. Also, I, I spoke to, was it Liana Arquette?

I don't know if I pronounce her name right. She's at downtown. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's awesome. Yes. Yeah. Her tats are sick.

I love her, that is like, how to describe that style of stuff that I don't know, just super fun. Traditional. Yeah. Bright colors. And like illustration styles. Cool. Yeah. She's great.

I love her work. And then actually tattoo her over, painted lady like Oh, ash. Yeah. She's incredible. I was trying to stop in there today and say hi to Yeah. You should. Yeah. She's sick.

draw, like, talk about putting on, like, women's faces. just draw a gorgeous dude. She's and then just fucking tattoo She's killing it. Yeah. Love her work really, really fast. We have so many fantastic tattooers in Las Vegas like, it's pretty crazy. yeah. At first I was like, oh, I'm going to try to get Tattooers from all over the country.

And I'm like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't think I need to right now. Like there's you got quite a few that you got to run through first. Yeah. Las Vegas, and it's so cool to just see all different kinds of styles, too. Yeah. Tons of people guesting out here too. Vegas has always been one of those places.

Easy for someone to fly into and have a good time for a few days or. yeah. If you ever know of anybody that want to stop by, I just send them my way. For sure? Well thank you guys so much for tuning in, man. This is support. Your local tattooer. This is Brett Rose.

Pilar, where do we follow you at Just my first and last name, Brett Ross. Epic LA at Instagram. Yeah. And check out one block. Got some. Like, honestly, one of the craziest line ups of Tattooers in in the country. Yeah, well, one block Las Vegas that we're on, Dean Martin. In between Russell and Sunset we have Bobby Johnson, Glendale boy, Levi Murphy, Freddy Albrighton and John Cali soon.

So John comes oh like so soon or soon. Coming soon and then and then and then DJ Hamby. Yeah. Yeah okay. So yeah. And also DJ yes. Dude. Well thank you guys so much.

So yeah. Thank you so much for having me. in touch, dude. Let's party. all right. Party on. Party on. Wayne.

Oh, you know what I fucking forgot before we go. Yeah, I saw you in the bathroom at the Anderson I went to go get a vinyl, and you were like, pick me one. I told you. Yeah. I was like, buy me one. And I jokingly, I jokingly said, grab me one because I didn't want to wait in line for a one, but I wanted one. I got plug in good. Thank you.

Yeah. What a one of the best tiny desks. Yeah, definitely up there. Yeah. Might be the best, might be the top for me. But yeah. This is an incredible album man. Thank you.

Thanks. Preciate it.